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#119483 - 03/19/10 08:41 PM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: Jersey Joe]
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Registered: 03/13/05
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I have thought long and hard on this question. I have gone over dozens of scenarios and possible solutions trying to answer this question and not create more. Unfortunately I don’t think there is one perfect solution. The intent of this tournament is fun, camaraderie, friendly competition and bragging rights among the members. You cannot prepare for every conceivable scenario, nor can you police every aspect of an open tournament format as this. In keeping with the spirit of this community and yearlong tournament I have come up with what I think is the best possible solution. At this time this is only a suggestion and I would like the input of those who have entered, who intend to enter and who may be on the fence about entering. Depending on the final changes those who have already paid to enter will be able to change their entry type or be entitled to a full refund if they wish to withdraw from the tournament. I think creating two entry types would best accommodate the membership base as well as facilitate greater participation. I am proposing the creation of two options for registration. One for individuals, geared toward those who many not have a boat and fish from surf, jetty, kayak or shore. And a second for the member who has his own boat. The fees would be different to cover additional anglers that may be present on the boat that is registered in the tournament. Individual Member Entry: $85 For the surf, jetty, kayak, charter and party boat fisherman. This entry is intended for the member without his or her own boat. Member Boat Entry: $125 For the boat fisherman. This entry is intended for the member with his or her own boat. This will allow for fish caught by any angler aboard the registered boat to be entered into the tournament. A Member’s Boat entry also entitles the boat owner/member to fish individually from surf, jetty, kayak, shore, other boat, charter or party boat. The boat entry is not intended for use by charter boats while for hire. Example, a charter boat registering in the tournament to weigh a fish caught by one of the fares while operating for hire. A charter boat owner/member is allowed to enter for trips when fishing themselves recreationally, when not for hire. There will still be the optional shark and tuna categories offered at an additional entry fee of $15 each. ADDITIONAL RULES: Angler’s name must appear on the weigh slip. If fishing from surf, jetty or shore you must be within the boundaries of the state of NJ. If fishing from a private boat, charter or party boat you must leave from and return to a NJ port. If fishing from a kayak you must launch from and return to the state of NJ.
I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts on this and I am trying to make it as fair as possible for all members.
Thank you, Joe
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#119520 - 03/21/10 09:10 AM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: Dick D]
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Dick, yes if entered individually you can fish from anyone’s boat, beach, jetty shore, etc. My main reason for suggesting the boat entry was it had come up that a few guys (maybe more than a few) occasionally take their kids, wife, significant other, etc. with them, not regularly but sometimes. They didn’t necessarily want to enter their child, spouse, etc. for what would be a few trips a year that they may or may not go on, but if there was a boat entry that was a little more and would cover those trips, they would go for that.
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#119541 - 03/21/10 08:43 PM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: Tuna Troller]
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Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 331
Loc: Atco,NJ
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I like the change. Nice job Joe.
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#119544 - 03/21/10 11:53 PM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: BobL]
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 33
Loc: mystic island, nj
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Is scotts bait and tackle going to be a weigh station or are the weigh stations only sponsors?
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#119558 - 03/22/10 01:25 PM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: toggytime]
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Registered: 06/22/05
Posts: 169
Loc: Forked River
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Joe, I love this rule, I always fish with my boys and end up running the boat. Now we all can have some fun with each other.
Member Boat Entry: $125 For the boat fisherman. This entry is intended for the member with his or her own boat. This will allow for fish caught by any angler aboard the registered boat to be entered into the tournament.
Steve
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#119574 - 03/22/10 09:52 PM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: Angler Paul]
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Registered: 11/26/09
Posts: 399
Loc: Rahway/Waretown
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Paul, while I agree with most of what you say, it seems JJ wants to divide the tourney into two totally seperate catagories, so for instance if you catch the biggest striper on a friend's boat and his boat is entered in the tournament, his boat should be entered for that fish and you should be entered for that fish as an individual. If the fish were caught on your boat and you entered for the boat, it should obviously be your boat's fish. If a friend (entered in the tourney) of yours fished on your boat that was entered in the tournament, it should be entered for him (individual angler), and your boat.
On another note, I would say that for shark and tuna, the time from port should be 30-40 hours because many of the tuna, especially yellowfin would be caught either at day break or at night (sharks too).
For most overnight canyon trips, you would leave the dock Friday at 10AM, get there, troll a few hours till just after sunset, chunk all night, go up on the troll again in the morning for a few hours and then reel em' up and head in, which, in the perfect world puts you at around 2PM Saturday back at port. Thats 28 hours If the seas get ugly, or there are significant mechanical issues present, the return time could easily be delayed by 2-8 hours.
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#119575 - 03/22/10 10:03 PM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: Angler Paul]
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Registered: 11/02/04
Posts: 1231
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Guys, Obviously we do not all have the same opinions on this matter. Let me start with this is the only tournament I can recall being asked for my input(before the tournament actually started). Jersey Joe has given us all a chance to offer our ideas, and for that I commend him. Now that more people are giving input, it gets more complicated. I am going to enter regardless of what the final ruling is. I always enjoy competing on the water with a decent bunch of local guys with similar interests. Truth be told, in all of the Barnegat Fishin' Hole tournaments I root for the regular members on this site (after myself of course). I have a 30' boat with two regulars, my 15 year old son and myself. Throughout the season there will be between two and six anglers on board every trip we make. Sometimes the other anglers will be my son's friends from high school, other times it will be my relatives (wife, daughter, father, nieces, etc), and yes at least three or four times a year my buddies that are die-hard fisherman will join us. With all of these different people it would be impractical to have them all pay the roughly $80 each, especially since none of us know when and if any of them will go fishing with us this year. On the other hand, I have no problem with paying the per person fee for my son and I. However, this causes another problem, my son is a minor and technically he is not allowed to compete in a 'money' tournament. I agree that the guys in the roughly 17' boats are not going to fish the ocean with four to six guys on board, ever. This clearly puts the larger boats at an advantage, especially on not so great weather days. I also want a level playing field, for the 17' boats, the 30' boats and the 42' boats. On the other hand, there is some shallow areas of the Barnegat Bay you will not catch me or the guys with the big boats fishing. As you can see we all have different ideas of what is best. I did not intend to beat a dead horse, my son and I responded within a few minutes (not planned).
Edited by Scott (03/22/10 10:08 PM) Edit Reason: double post, sort of???
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#120267 - 04/05/10 09:02 AM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: Angler Paul]
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Loc: Brevard County, FL
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Paul to answer your first question, yes the angler's name goes on the slip. We will add "Enter ‘ Barnegat Fishin' Hole’ and either your Barnegat Fishin' Hole display name or Tournament entry number in the ‘club name’ portion or on the back of the weigh slip." to number thirteen for clarification. I am unclear what you mean by your second question, if two fish are caught you need two weigh slips; three caught, three weigh slips; etc.
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#120434 - 04/07/10 09:59 AM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: Angler Paul]
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What I meant to ask is if someone else who is entered in the tournament catches a fish on my boat, do we each have to fill out a slip for the tournament? I believe the fish would count for him as well as for me, correct? Paul please see number 6 in the Tournamet Updates & FAQ. I have created a thread that will contain a list of FAQ's and updates. It includes answers to questions raised about the tournament so far. This thread will be locked so the info can be easily found.
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#176972 - 06/03/13 04:05 PM
Re: Tournament qustion for Jersey Joe
[Re: Jersey Joe]
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Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 107
Loc: Barnegat Light
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wow- this sounds fun!
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